What kills me about this request is that once these devices are sold, they don't belong to Cingular. They belong to the consumer. I really despise it when companies do this crap. It is now my property, you're just the freaking carrier... If I want to change my software, thats between the manufacturer and I.
A curse on you AT&T...
olly
· 2 years ago
As I just bitched to Darla about myself, I love the fact that Cingular refuses to list S60 devices as smartphones ... the n75 is under the 'flip phone' category.
Yeah, way to market them well.
-olly
Rita Khoury
· 2 years ago
we don't have that problem here in Lebanon: any phone + any carrier => TOTAL compatibility! Reading about all these carrier restrictions in the USA, i'm starting to believe what a blessing is it to have the freedom we have here of chosing our phone and the carrier we want. That is basically the b+a=ba of mobile usage here. If my battery dies, I can just pop out my sim card, put it into my friend's phone, whatever it is and whatever carrier plan she has, and make a call, send an sms... Still, it's not a blessing, it's just common sense and common usability. It's SUPPOSED to be like that, carrier restrictions are just DUMB! How can you still be silent about it?!?!
John
· 2 years ago
I assume this is also why the Nokia maploader program doesn't recognize the N75. It's a shame because the smart2go app installed fine on the phone but is useless if I can't download the map I need.
Bryan
· 2 years ago
Welcome to America, where the telecom industries still think they run everything, and the consumer, too enthralled with their free Samsung phones, won't complain about it.
I sincerely hope T-Mobile (our only possible GSM savior?) will see the light and use this to gain marketshare, but AT&T won't ever give up trying to control everything.
It's easy to see WHY Verizon uses their UI on every phone - it lets them push whatever phone they want you to buy (read: whatever phone they have the most stock on or best margins on) and why not, they're all the same really. Atleast on these phones (and really they all run the same OS, Qualcomm's BREW, mostly 3.1 w/ UIOne so they practically ARE the same phone) you can replace the entire UI with a new UIOne module (if you know how...)
Desi
· 2 years ago
This is just sad. I was one of the ones who unfortunately bought a Nokia E62 because it was so attractively priced by Cingular/AT&T. I love the phone, but am extremely frustrated about the firmware situation. I knew about the crippled java, and read about the firmware fix on this site, but was stupid and waited on doing it. I never thought the fix would be taken down, and now I am screwed with a java-handicapped phone.
I've learned my lesson and will buy unlocked phones in the future. Cingular/AT&T is turning into the next Verizon, who is notorious for locking things down (remember the whole bluetooth lawsuit against Verizon). I honestly think if the average American consumer knew how much better unlocked phones were, things might be different. But unfortunately I see people left and right falling into the marketing hype and buying Verizon phones, not knowing that the phone they bought functions almost exactly like all the other shiny phones they have. Wake up America! These carriers have you right where they want you!!!
JonnyBruha
· 2 years ago
You think the Java is bad on Cingular? T Mobile doesn't allow 3rd party applications to use data at ALL on their branded devices. Sure the phone's are cheap, but it's like selling yourself into mobile slavery.
Vaibhav Sharma
· 2 years ago
The situation in India is wonderful this way. There's no crippling of the phones like that. Going to a customer care center for a firmware upgrade isn't really what i call convenience!
adonisdemon
· 2 years ago
It's a shame how the carriers behave, crippling and controlling what the user should do and not do with their device.
A communist mobile market form the looks of it.
My advice, find who does what to handsets and avoid them if necessary.
In the UK, Vodafone and Orange are the worst, T-Mobile UK isn't too far behind. O2 seems to be only carrier that doesn't brand or cripple it's models.
The more you as the user let them, the more they will do to their hearts content.
Jeff
· 2 years ago
"And why does Verizon load up their own proprietary UI, so that every single phone functions exactly the same."
Because many people like that every phone operates the same way. It is easier on their feeble minds.
"Do you buy your landline phone from AT&T? Do you buy your TV from the cable company? NO. You get the device that you want and then you get the service for it separately, as it should be."
Actually, many people DO buy their land line phones from AT&T (at least branded phones). I overheard a couple recently returning a Uniden cordless phone. They told the lady that they were not going to keep an off-brand phone like Uniden, they wanted a good, quality name-brand phone like AT&T (which I think are made by V-Tech).
Ricky Cadden
· 2 years ago
Thanks for the comments, guys.
The problem isn't just present in the US. I'm sure you're all aware of the Truphone thing with one of the European carriers disabling the MOIP functions of the N95.
@Jeff I wasn't questioning the reason, I am presenting that this severely inhibits innovation. If all the phones function the same, regardless of manufacturer, then there's no reason to innovate from a manufacturer's standpoint, because a new feature will have to be supported by the UI, which is used by everyone.
And you still do not get your landline phone from AT&T. It is branded, but you don't get it from the AT&T store. Like you said, it's made by V-Tech. The big thing is that you have the option of buying whatever brand phone that you want, without a hassle in using it. Mobiles should be the same way.
The carriers will give you this B.S. like they need to test them. I've "tested" unbranded N80, E62, N73, and N95 on Cingular's network, and they all worked without a hitch. SMS, Voice, MMS, Internet, all I had to do was pop my SIM card in there.
Gavin
· 2 years ago
I had a problem with my locked vodafone n95 for downloading mobile voip applications. OneFone from wifimobile.com was the only one that worked.
Gurx
· 2 years ago
Just to everybody knows: here in Brazil, one carrier (called OI) starts to sell ALL their phones umbranded an unlocked. They starts says that "if you buy any phone, the phone is YOURS not mine" !!!
And they starts to increase their profits in service sells, not in phone sells.
Maybe this is a start....
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· 2 years ago
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Bryan
· 3 months ago
Welcome to America, where the telecom industries still think they run everything, and the consumer, too enthralled with their free Samsung phones, won't complain about it.
I sincerely hope T-Mobile (our only possible GSM savior?) will see the light and use this to gain marketshare, but AT&T won't ever give up trying to control everything.
It's easy to see WHY Verizon uses their UI on every phone - it lets them push whatever phone they want you to buy (read: whatever phone they have the most stock on or best margins on) and why not, they're all the same really. Atleast on these phones (and really they all run the same OS, Qualcomm's BREW, mostly 3.1 w/ UIOne so they practically ARE the same phone) you can replace the entire UI with a new UIOne module (if you know how...)
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A curse on you AT&T...
Yeah, way to market them well.
-olly
I sincerely hope T-Mobile (our only possible GSM savior?) will see the light and use this to gain marketshare, but AT&T won't ever give up trying to control everything.
It's easy to see WHY Verizon uses their UI on every phone - it lets them push whatever phone they want you to buy (read: whatever phone they have the most stock on or best margins on) and why not, they're all the same really. Atleast on these phones (and really they all run the same OS, Qualcomm's BREW, mostly 3.1 w/ UIOne so they practically ARE the same phone) you can replace the entire UI with a new UIOne module (if you know how...)
I've learned my lesson and will buy unlocked phones in the future. Cingular/AT&T is turning into the next Verizon, who is notorious for locking things down (remember the whole bluetooth lawsuit against Verizon). I honestly think if the average American consumer knew how much better unlocked phones were, things might be different. But unfortunately I see people left and right falling into the marketing hype and buying Verizon phones, not knowing that the phone they bought functions almost exactly like all the other shiny phones they have. Wake up America! These carriers have you right where they want you!!!
A communist mobile market form the looks of it.
My advice, find who does what to handsets and avoid them if necessary.
In the UK, Vodafone and Orange are the worst, T-Mobile UK isn't too far behind. O2 seems to be only carrier that doesn't brand or cripple it's models.
The more you as the user let them, the more they will do to their hearts content.
Because many people like that every phone operates the same way. It is easier on their feeble minds.
"Do you buy your landline phone from AT&T? Do you buy your TV from the cable company? NO. You get the device that you want and then you get the service for it separately, as it should be."
Actually, many people DO buy their land line phones from AT&T (at least branded phones). I overheard a couple recently returning a Uniden cordless phone. They told the lady that they were not going to keep an off-brand phone like Uniden, they wanted a good, quality name-brand phone like AT&T (which I think are made by V-Tech).
The problem isn't just present in the US. I'm sure you're all aware of the Truphone thing with one of the European carriers disabling the MOIP functions of the N95.
@Jeff I wasn't questioning the reason, I am presenting that this severely inhibits innovation. If all the phones function the same, regardless of manufacturer, then there's no reason to innovate from a manufacturer's standpoint, because a new feature will have to be supported by the UI, which is used by everyone.
And you still do not get your landline phone from AT&T. It is branded, but you don't get it from the AT&T store. Like you said, it's made by V-Tech. The big thing is that you have the option of buying whatever brand phone that you want, without a hassle in using it. Mobiles should be the same way.
The carriers will give you this B.S. like they need to test them. I've "tested" unbranded N80, E62, N73, and N95 on Cingular's network, and they all worked without a hitch. SMS, Voice, MMS, Internet, all I had to do was pop my SIM card in there.
And they starts to increase their profits in service sells, not in phone sells.
Maybe this is a start....
Email: mobilehouseltd@eyou.com
Email: mobilehouseltd@eyou.com
Company Sales Manager
Mrs.Lisa Laffoon
Thanks And God Bless.
I sincerely hope T-Mobile (our only possible GSM savior?) will see the light and use this to gain marketshare, but AT&T won't ever give up trying to control everything.
It's easy to see WHY Verizon uses their UI on every phone - it lets them push whatever phone they want you to buy (read: whatever phone they have the most stock on or best margins on) and why not, they're all the same really. Atleast on these phones (and really they all run the same OS, Qualcomm's BREW, mostly 3.1 w/ UIOne so they practically ARE the same phone) you can replace the entire UI with a new UIOne module (if you know how...)